Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Why all the big fuss?

Maybe I'm being cynical, maybe I'm a little jaded.  Maybe it's because I live in Seattle and frankly I should be the one going to games and raving about Kevin Durant, which causes me to be predispositioned to dislike the city that stole our team.  I'm a little confused as to how the Thunder all of sudden are considered contenders.  Don't get me wrong, I know they're good.  Are they really THAT good though?  As good as the Lakers?  As good as the Celtics?  The Magic?  Let's compare:



THUNDER LAKERS CELTICS MAGIC
PG Russell Westbrook Derek Fisher Rajon Rondo Jameer Nelson
SG Thabo Sefalosha Kobe Bryant Ray Allen Vince Carter
SF Kevin Durant Ron Artest Paul Pierce Quentin Richardson
PF Jeff Green Pau Gasol Kevin Garnett Rashard Lewis
C Nenad Kristic Andrew Bynum Kendrick Perkins Dwight Howard
Bench Eric Maynor Steve Blake Nate Robinson Chris Duhon
James Harden Shannon Brown Delonte West J.J. Redick
Morris Peterson Matt Barnes Marquis Daniels Mickael Pietrus
Nick Collison Lamar Odom Jermaine O'Neal Brandon Bass
Serge Ibaka Theo Ratliff Shaquille O'Neal Marcin Gortat
Cole Aldrich Luke Walton Glen Davis Ryan Anderson
D.J. White Sasha Vujacic Semih Erden Daniel Orton

I honestly can't say that the Thunder roster looks significantly better than any of the "contenders" out there, well, let's call them definitive contenders, as these three teams are the ones that made the Finals in the last two seasons.  I like the Thunder roster but not enough to call them contenders.  Am I short-selling Kevin Durant?  Maybe, but frankly, a single player doesn't win titles.  Can we definitively say that these OKC Thunder are definitively better than... say the 2009-2010 Cleveland Cavaliers?



THUNDER 2009/2010 CAVS
PG Russell Westbrook Mo Williams
SG Thabo Sefalosha Delonte West
SF Kevin Durant LeBron James
PF Jeff Green Antawn Jamison
C Nenad Kristic Shaquille O'Neal
Bench Eric Maynor Daniel Gibson
James Harden Anthony Parker
Morris Peterson Jamario Moon
Nick Collison Anderson Varejao
Serge Ibaka Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Cole Aldrich J.J. Hickson
D.J. White Jawad Williams


Really?  Let's assume that LeBron and Durant are a wash.  I know Westbrook is a significant upgrade over Williams, and the 2009/2010 Cavs dealt with a plethora of injury and chemistry issues, but really?  Can we say that the OKC is significantly better?  Is Jeff Green better than Antawn Jamison?

Per Game:

Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Jeff Green 2009-10 23 82 82 37.1 5.9 13 0.453 1.3 3.8 0.333 2 2.7 0.74 1.4 4.6 6 1.6 1.3 0.9 1.6 2.7 15.1
2 Antawn Jamison 2009-10 33 66 64 36.5 7.2 15.7 0.461 1.3 3.7 0.344 2.9 4.5 0.647 2.1 6.3 8.4 1.3 1.1 0.3 1.4 2.7 18.7

Per 36:


Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Jeff Green 2009-10 23 82 82 3043 5.7 12.7 0.453 1.2 3.7 0.333 2 2.6 0.74 1.3 4.5 5.8 1.6 1.2 0.9 1.6 2.6 14.7
2 Antawn Jamison 2009-10 33 66 64 2406 7.2 15.5 0.461 1.3 3.7 0.344 2.9 4.5 0.647 2 6.3 8.3 1.3 1.1 0.3 1.4 2.7 18.5

Well... they're pretty comparable, but Jamison shoots better, rebounds better, scores more, and gets to the line more.  Hrm...  They lost 4-2 to Boston in the Conference Semi-Finals.  A lot of people thought LeBron could do it, but I was pretty skeptical as to actually how good the team actually was, I see the same case here.  Sure Durant might be awesome, but at best I don't see that he's better than LeBron awesome.


Per 36:

Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Kevin Durant 2009-10 21 82 82 3239 8.8 18.5 0.476 1.4 3.9 0.365 8.4 9.3 0.9 1.2 5.8 6.9 2.6 1.2 0.9 3 1.9 27.5
2 LeBron James 2009-10 25 76 76 2966 9.3 18.5 0.503 1.6 4.7 0.333 7.2 9.4 0.767 0.9 5.9 6.7 7.9 1.5 0.9 3.2 1.4 27.4

Now, honestly, they're about the same, except LeBron passes the ball better.  Aside from that most of the stats are fairly comparable.  With that then, I can't say that the Thunder are significantly better than any solid playoff team, I mean, statistically you can't really even say he's significantly better than Melo::

Per 36

Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Carmelo Anthony 2009-10 25 69 69 2634 9.4 20.5 0.458 0.8 2.6 0.316 6.9 8.4 0.83 2.1 4.1 6.2 3 1.2 0.4 2.9 3.1 26.6
2 Kevin Durant 2009-10 21 82 82 3239 8.8 18.5 0.476 1.4 3.9 0.365 8.4 9.3 0.9 1.2 5.8 6.9 2.6 1.2 0.9 3 1.9 27.5























While Melo scores less on more shots, he's also a way better offensive rebounder, and frankly, there isn't enough of a differentiation between them to definitively declare one better than the other, at least statistically speaking.  Sure most of us (GMs and their assistants included) like Durant more than Melo, but that doesn't mean a whole lot when the tip-off whistle is blown.  I really don't buy the whole hype about how Thunder, if they aren't contenders are the only ones that can take down the Lakers, sure overall they might match up okay against the defending champs, but I certainly don't think they have a significantly better shot than anyone else in the West.  Why?  Their frontcourt is pretty atrocious.  Jeff Green is not a PF and if he is, he's at best a harder-working Al Harrington.  And I would take an old Shaq and Big Z over Nenad Kristic and Serge Ibaka, I don't care if Ibaka is supposed to have a "breakout" season.  What they have to their advantage is youth and thereby health, something some of the more seasoned teams cannot boast as much of, but seriously?  If the Lakers appear to be head and shoulders above the rest of the West does that mean that Thunder are a head above the rest?  I think not:



THUNDER SPURS MAVERICKS BLAZERS NUGGETS JAZZ
PG Russell Westbrook Tony Parker Jason Kidd Andre Miller Chauncey Billups Deron Willaims
SG Thabo Sefalosha Manu Ginobili Caron Butler Brandon Roy Arron Afflalo Raja Bell
SF Kevin Durant Richard Jefferson Shawn Marion Nicolas Batum Carmelo Anthony Andrei Kirilenko
PF Jeff Green DeJuan Blair Dirk Nowitzki LaMarcus Aldridge Kenyon Martin Al Jefferson
C Nenad Kristic Tim Duncan Brendan Haywood Greg Oden Nene Hilario Mehmet Okur
Bench Eric Maynor George Hill J.J. Barea Wesley Matthews Ty Lawson Earl Watson
James Harden James Anderson Jason Terry Rudy Fernandez J.R. Smith C.J. Miles
Morris Peterson Bobby Simmons DeShawn Stevenson Dante Cunningham Gary Forbes Gordon Hayward
Nick Collison Antonio McDyess Ian Mahinmi Marcus Camby Al Harrington Paul Millsap
Serge Ibaka Tiago Splitter Tyson Chandler Joel Przybilla Chris Andersen Francisco Elson
Cole Aldrich Matt Bonner Rodrigue Beaubois Armon Johnson Renaldo Balkman Kyrylo Fesenko
D.J. White Gary Neal Dominique Jones Fabricio Oberto Shelden Williams Jeremy Evans

Maybe it's me, but while Durant would be the SF I'd want the most on my roster, I can't say that Westbrook is someone I'd pick over Kidd, Parker, Billups, and definitely not Deron Williams.  Every team except maybe the Nuggets has a more desirable PF, and every other team has actually a more desirable frontcourt pairing and a comparably deep bench.  While the Thunder may have surprised us last season with a strong performance, I can't say with confidence that they can beat any of the other five leading Western Conference teams not called the Lakers, not in a 7 game series.


Team Pts Reb Ast Stl Blk To Pf Dreb Oreb Fgm-a Pct 3gm-a Pct Ftm-a Pct Eff Deff
Utah 104.5 41.9 26.4 7.9 4.8 14.4 23.1 31.3 10.7 39.2-80.1 0.49 5.5-15.0 0.365 20.6-27.9 0.739 123 15
Orlando 101.9 42.8 19.3 6.3 5.5 13.5 20.2 33 9.8 36.1-76.9 0.469 10.2-27.3 0.374 19.5-27.1 0.72 113.8 14.2
Boston 98 38.7 23 8.4 4.8 13.9 22.7 30 8.8 36.4-76.5 0.476 6.0-17.1 0.351 19.1-25.6 0.748 112.6 11.9
Dallas 101.4 41.8 23.1 7.5 5.4 12.4 19.3 31.6 10.3 38.0-82.2 0.462 6.8-18.3 0.369 18.6-22.8 0.814 118.4 10
Oklahoma City 101 43.5 19.7 7.7 5.9 14 21.4 31.8 11.7 36.9-80.7 0.457 5.1-15.2 0.337 22.0-27.3 0.807 114.7 9.6
San Antonio 100.8 42.6 22 6.2 4.6 12.9 20.4 31.8 10.7 38.2-80.9 0.472 6.5-18.4 0.356 17.9-24.3 0.735 114.1 8.9
L.A.Lakers 101.6 44 20.8 7 5.1 12.8 20.2 31.9 12.1 38.1-83.2 0.458 6.6-19.4 0.338 18.8-24.6 0.763 114.8 7.9
Portland 97.8 40 20.4 6.3 4.3 11.5 21.1 28.9 11.1 36.0-78.6 0.459 6.0-16.9 0.356 19.7-25.0 0.786 109.4 6.5
Denver 106.6 41.3 20.8 8.1 5.1 13.5 23.1 30.4 10.8 38.0-81.2 0.468 6.6-18.5 0.359 23.9-31.0 0.772 118.2 5

Based on their overall team metrics, while I'm surprised they out-rebounded everybody, I can't really say they particularly stand out enough to warrant the sudden hype.  Frankly, I don't find them to be significantly better than any playoff/fringe playoff team save for the presence of Durant.



THUNDER ROCKETS HAWKS
PG Russell Westbrook Aaron Brooks Mike Bibby
SG Thabo Sefalosha Kevin Martin Joe Johnson
SF Kevin Durant Shane Battier Marvin Williams
PF Jeff Green Luis Scola Josh Smith
C Nenad Kristic Yao Ming Al Horford
Bench Eric Maynor Kyle Lowry Jeff Teague
James Harden Courtney Lee Jamal Crawford
Morris Peterson Chase Budinger Mo Evans
Nick Collison Chuck Hayes Etan Thomas
Serge Ibaka Brad Miller Zaza Pachulia
Cole Aldrich Jordan Hill Jordan Crawford
D.J. White Jermaine Taylor Pape Sy

Sure, it's a great Cinderella story, but hey so were the Hornets in 2008, and look at them now.  Granted, the Thunder are in better shape than the Hornets, but really?  Contenders?  Really?  Seriously people, I know they're a fun team to watch, but let's be realistic.  I mean, a lot of this is coming from the same people who said Zach Randolph and Eddy Curry would make a monstrous frontcourt.